exactly like the constitution. >> but it's not one of the moral laws. >> but it's still in the bible and it's flawed. >> i do not believe the bible is flawed. >> well intentioned and inherently flawed. my point to you about gay rights, for example, it's time to an amendment to the bible. >> no. >> you should compile a new bible. >> not a chance. what i believe is flawed is human opinion because it constantly changes. in fact, we do it every eight years in america. we have a change in opinion. what was hot is now not. and i willingly admit that i base my world view on the bible, which i believe is true. and truth, my definition of truth is, if it's new, it's not true. if it was true 1,000 years ago, it will be true 1,000 years from today. opinion changes but truth doesn't. >> when we come back, we're going to talk about children. >> piers, we need more of this kind of talk. >> i agree. the debate should always be respectful. it applies to politics, too. the moment it becomes disrespectful and discourteous and rude and poisonous, you never achieve anything. >> let's go to the gay issue